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uckfei

I hope someday you get a real job and real identity, instead of trashing Knipp as a way to draw attention to your average self.

I hope someday you get a real job and real identity, instead of trashing Knipp as a life goal.

Jacob

I suppose I take a parallel view to either side of this debate. Sure, it's offensive, but wow...is this the most important thing out there? I mean, is this really the front lines of the war on racism? As someone who lives in the south, I see racism daily, pervasively. I am horrified that black children have to sue the state to provide adequate education, that "justice" is supposedly served by a judicial system that sees race more clearly than guilt and punishes minorities more harshly...the list goes on.

I'm afraid that this smacks of a nasty brand of feel good activism that accomplishes very little. Because SQL does or does not do a show at some gay bar doesn't mean black children will have any better chances for success or escaping injustice, it just puts you on a pedastal where you can say "look how much more enlightened I am." Revolution isn't about one-upping each other on political correctness, and revolution is the only thing that will change this country from an evil empire to the land of equality.

The Million Man March was real. This is a tempest in a teapot.

MonicaR

News flash to those of you who are as clueless as Dinesh D'Souza about racism in this country.

AsianWeek just apologized for publishing a column by Kenneth Eng entitled 'Why I Hate Blacks' which lists reasons why to discriminate against Blacks.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/01/BAGO7ODAA91.DTL

Karniqie Zendoria Jones

Can you tell me where this West Hollywood show is this week? And how I can purchase tickets?
Thank you

J.B. Youens

Why come when a white man act like a black woman, it's racist, but when a black man become a white lady, it's "Michael Jackson?"

It need to be cancellations of not only Shirley Q. Liquors, but also of all shows on BET that show black womens in a bad lights.

I had went to the movie house today and cursed out the manager behind the fact of they are showing "Norbert" which make me feel fat, black and overweight. I almost got some good swings in on the bastard but unfortunately, po-po showed up and I be done caught a charge behind it.

I ask that the NAACP, Klu Klux Klam, and Nancy Pelosi her damn self sue Eddie Murphey for reparations of the fact that they is making a joke of big black beautiful lesbian womens.

Aman.

Mimi

Preach on it Brian, preach on it! I don't think you could find but a handful of black people who blame all thier problems on racism, as there are more people of good will than not. The simple word "fairness" is all that most blacks want, and an end to vile sterotypes that have no place in 2007.

The "tree" comment speaks volumes, kind of like how 40 years of the Civil Rights Act has changed whats in peoples hearts, you can't legislate fairness.

Brian

"Helloooo? Anybody home there? We have a black man who has a very real chance of becoming President of the United States (in fact, I'm planning to vote for him, and, no, he is not an Uncle Tom or a puppet of the white establishment). We just had two black actors win two of the top Academy Awards. We have a black Secretary of State now. And you say we haven't made any "major strides"? You mean since a week ago? Or in the past 40 years?"

"Alot of them would be THRILLED to have some of the privileges and freedoms you have as American citizens, and would gladly cope with the subtle, insidious, all-pervasise, "institutionalized racism" (which from your vague description seems to extend to the funny looks you get from the cashier at the 711)."

These two asinine comments really say it all. You're bedazzled because a black man is running for President and that the US tolerates black entertainers.

Yes, the number of elite blacks the system will allow into the corridors of power has increased since the 1960s. Yes, the black professional class has grown, thankfully. Yes America is entertained by black singers, actors and athletes. Those are the main accomplishments of the Civil Rights Movement. But how have things on the whole gotten for black America?

If you want to know about the ubiquity of racial discrimination in the US, I recommend you go to your local library and find some books on racism in housing, education and jobs which persists, in some instances at levels WORSE THAN that of the 1960s. But of course you won't do that because you're already an "intelligent" and "good willed" white man who knows everything you need to know about the black experience. So much so that you don't need to hear any more "whining."

It's funny that people complain about minorities whining when little is done to fix these pervasive problems. You know to correct a problem, you have to point it out. It's particularly hard to point things out when you have intransigent people who claim the problem doesn't exist--and if it does exist, it doesn't really matter because minorities just whine anyway.

Do you know any blacks from other countries who have come to the US? Probably not, but of course you know exactly what black people from other countries WOULD think if they came here. Talk about arrogance. I wonder what Amadou Diallo (were he alive) and Abner Louima would say about putting up with institutional racism in the US just to be here.

Suspicious looks in 7/11 are a small piece of the problem, but yes it is connected to racism. The fact that you think the criminalization of black people is a trivial matter just shows how contemptuous you are of black people's experiences.

"You know, this is one "privileged" white person who is getting rather tired of having his intelligence and goodwill insulted by people on a moral high horse who see racism hiding behind every bush and think that racism is preventing them from crossing the street.

OF COURSE racism still exists. All I'm saying is, don't use it as an excuse to hold you back or pretend it is the cause of all your problems. "

I suppose we uppity Negroes should be grateful for your white goodwill. Can you say, "paternalism?" Few people claim racism is responsible for all their problems. I sure don't. It is, however, a major problem and the MAIN problem facing our community.

"Hiding behind every tree?" I don't know what that's supposed to mean. If you've used that snide comment to disparage the idea that racism TODAY IN 2007 is pervasive, then you've proved my point.

The next election will revert back to the GOP, as the democrats are still clueless about what the public wants, and since I don't vote for either party, its isn't pessimistic at all, its the real state of the country. And, if you or any of the others who are "liberal" enough to say they would vote for Obama, well, a lost vote it will be, as his running will sew up all the electoral votes of the South, and a most of the swing states with small populations, so, get ready for Mitt or McCain, they will surely be a friend of gays rights and freedom of speech, since the party faithful isn't going to vote for Rudy, and that's a whole other cans of worms, which has nothing to do with his stand on gay issues. But, I have to admit, your tone has changed, which is a good thing, well almost!

And, as far as "racial equality" that went out the window a few years ago, when the majority of the public, private citizens and elected officials deemed there was no such thing as racism and the playing field was equal for all citizens, along with a color blind judiciary. Now, the only ones who think this is true, are well, you know who as this thread continues to rage. Just because I as a black gay man have a rather comfortable life, so no need to whine about anything that happens in a cheesy gay nightclub filled with drunken bigots seeing a man with black makeup on his mug, its about the principle of spreading sterotypes that hurt the same women he claims to "adore" to a group that is in for a laugh, not enlightenment on why its wrong to wear black makeup and mock them. The third person in the room in this country, is always race, that is just a fact, and its a fact that isn't going away after 40 years and a handful of people who have "made it."

And, Derrick, thanks for that article, the one thing that I really liked is what Joan Garry mentioned, why is it that some are so obsessed with the sex lives of gays and lesbians, spot on in this debate of Mr Knipp, obsessed with the sex life of an alleged, sterotypical, promiscuous black woman, thank goodness gay white men don't care about the sex lives of black men, as to most of them we are invisible, the stereotypes would revert back to the Mandingo days of the Old South.

DerrickM.

In response to the New York Blade questioning why GLAAD would issue a statement supporting the boycott of Shirley Q. Liquor's public performances, below is the ORIGINAL press release GLAAD issued in response to the murder of Matthew Shepard.

Shepard's death was in no way related to gay images represented in the media, either. I went on The Blade's web site, searched their archives, and I didn't uncover any story questioning GLAAD on its vocal response to Matthew Shepard's murder.

Bottom line: I'm embarrassed for The Blade. Their writers are sloppy,ill informed, passive aggressive in their racism and just plain stupid.

Below is GLAAD's original press release regarding the non media related issue of Matthew Shepard's death. Could somebody email it to The Blade and tell them to shut the fuck up?

GLAAD and National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs Express Sorrow and Horror at Attack on Gay Man in Wyoming
media center > press releases > archive > 1998 > GLAAD and National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs Express Sorrow and Horror at Attack on Gay Man in Wyoming

October 9, 1998

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"Hateful rhetoric fosters a fearful and intolerant environment--all the
ingredients necessary for putting people in harms way. What Matt Shepard is
going through is unthinkable. That there are people who hate him for being
open and honest about his life is unconscionable."


-Joan M. Garry, GLAAD Executive Director


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NEW YORK, NY, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1998 -- The Gay & Lesbian Alliance
Against Defamation (GLAAD) and the National Coalition of Anti-Violence
Programs (NCAVP) today expressed their sorrow at the attempted murder of
22-year-old University of Wyoming student Matt Shepard, who was found on
Wednesday night in Laramie near death and tied to a fence, after having
been beaten and slashed. Mr. Shepard, a junior studying political
science at the university, had been attacked twice previously in recent
weeks, once having his jaw broken.

The report of the Wyoming attack comes one day after the Center for
Reclaiming America and Coral Ridge Ministries held a joint press conference
with the Family Research Council to announce a new series of anti-gay
television advertisements, in the same vein as their previous campaign,
which was placed in major newspapers this summer.

The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs condemned the attack as
well. "We at NCAVP are all too familiar with the increasing violence facing
the lesbian, gay bisexual and transgender community, and the increasingly
vicious nature of these crimes," said NCAVP Steering Committee member
Jeffrey Montgomery. "What happened to Matt Shepard may shock and horrify
you, but something like it happens on a day to day basis in this country.
What's worse, Wyoming has no hate crimes bill to protect victims and
prosecute those who target them, because radical religious groups insisted
it would extend 'special rights' to lesbians and gay men, who have become
less than equal in their eyes. Is it a 'special right' to not be beaten
into a coma because of who you are? Ask the victims of the thousands of
anti-gay hate crimes...they're the ones who know."

GLAAD Executive Director, Joan M. Garry continued, "We invite those who
are so obsessed with the lives of lesbians and gay men to examine the tone
and tenor of their remarks well before they issue them. Think of who will
hear their words. Think of who will see these indelible images. If you
think homophobic advertisements like
those which ran in our newspapers this summer are devoid of
repercussions--think again. These ads give people permission to hate.
They are inciteful vehicles. They have a real impact on real people's
lives."

GLAAD is the nation's lesbian and gay media advocacy organization. GLAAD
promotes fair, accurate and inclusive representation of individuals and
events in all media as a means of combating homophobia and all forms of
discrimination based on sexual orientation or identity.

The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP) addresses the
pervasive problem of violence committed against and within the lesbian,
gay, bisexual, transgender and HIV-positive (LGBTH) communities. NCAVP is a
coalition of programs that document and advocate for victims of anti-LGBTH
violence/harassment, domestic violence, sexual assault, police misconduct,
and other forms of victimization. NCAVP is dedicated to creating a national
response to the violence plaguing these communities. Furthermore, NCAVP
supports existing anti-violence organizations and emerging local programs
in the efforts to document and prevent such violence.


"no one with a clue thinks Obama is going to be elected president of this country, no more than Hillary Clinton will be, so, to say the country has come a long way is a glass half full"

That's a pretty cynical and pessimistic view. I mean, we did just get a Democratic Congress and Senate, didn't we?

If everyone who supports racial equality is as defeatist as you, no wonder you're not getting anywhere (at least according to you). But of course, you HAVE to think that way, otherwise you'd have no reason to keep up the spiteful whining about how awful things are.

Mimi

As someone who lives in a city where Hispanics are the majority and run just about everything, I think can say for a fact that I can be treated far better and more fairly by them than any of the Shirley Q. Liquor fans, who seem to reside on a planet of ignorance and intolerance and not one shred of empathy for those who society looks down on and don't need negative sterotypes used for laughs by a white man with black paint smeared on his face.

Wow, how big of you to say that after "40" years of almost freedom and equality, we should get over the insidious racism that is still prevalent for the majority of black citizens in this country. The other 360 years of legally enforced racism were wiped out by the stroke of a pen according to this odd logic, so, with "friends" like you, give me the enemies who are at least honest in their feelings, and not using such a condescending tone like your post.

And, as far as Hispanics, that was beyond funny, since they are already the majority in many cities, and down the road, even you and your privileged life will be on the line, as there will be no majority who can tell others how to deal with things, so, the white gays had better try and change all the laws to their favor before this happens as well, since most people in country already don't see you as being discriminated against, just a bunch of loud, vocal whiners who want special rights and whatever they want, and that includes this black gay man. But, then again, that is using that same sweeping brush to lump all white gays into one group, and that's not exactly right, as I do know many who do not subscribe to the racist views that I've read from "posters" on this site who seem to be more regressive in thought than the more progressive ones who can view all inequalities as wrong, not just ones based on sexuality.

And, on a even more serious note, no one with a clue thinks Obama is going to be elected president of this country, no more than Hillary Clinton will be, so, to say the country has come a long way is a glass half full. People say one thing to a pollster that they think is "PC" and pull the tab in the voting booth for how they really feel.

"When we actually make some major strides towards eliminating racial discrimination, then I'll entertain the idea that we can afford to be "ironic" to the point in which white people should dress up as black people and mimic politically destructive racial stereotypes."

Helloooo? Anybody home there? We have a black man who has a very real chance of becoming President of the United States (in fact, I'm planning to vote for him, and, no, he is not an Uncle Tom or a puppet of the white establishment). We just had two black actors win two of the top Academy Awards. We have a black Secretary of State now. And you say we haven't made any "major strides"? You mean since a week ago? Or in the past 40 years?

Are you going to insult the accomplishments of the abovementioned persons by suggesting that the white establishment "let them get that far" out of white guilt or something?

You know, this is one "privileged" white person who is getting rather tired of having his intelligence and goodwill insulted by people on a moral high horse who see racism hiding behind every bush and think that racism is preventing them from crossing the street.

OF COURSE racism still exists. All I'm saying is, don't use it as an excuse to hold you back or pretend it is the cause of all your problems.

And don't have the arrogance to assert that because my skin's a different color than yours that I can't possibly have an inkling of what it's like to struggle against the difficulties of life. I did have to watch the person I loved slowly sicken and die in my arms from a horrible disease, so I hope I get SOME small dispensation for that.

No one really understands another person's experience or suffering all the way. If you're an intelligent, empathic person, you try to understand based on your own experiences.

Everyone who is reading this and has access to a computer is PRIVILEGED. Only a tiny fraction of the world's population has such a privilege. And I suspect if alot of the REAL underprivileged people did have access to a computer, they wouldn't be using it for some abstract political pie-in-the sky goal like "eliminating all racial discrimination." They'd be using it to make a living and to survive and prosper.

Alot of them would be THRILLED to have some of the privileges and freedoms you have as American citizens, and would gladly cope with the subtle, insidious, all-pervasise, "institutionalized racism" (which from your vague description seems to extend to the funny looks you get from the cashier at the 711).

I am not trying to disparage your feeling of discrimination, I know it's hurtful. I'm just asking you to put it in perspective, and have a little courtesy and respect for your friends in the "white gay mafia."

And if you don't believe I'm your friend, that's fine, I'm still going to do my best to be a good citizen and respect and help the black people and all people I come in contact with in my daily life.

But I'm not putting up with any more whining. You've had 40 years since the Civil Rights Movement, you're still using the same old tired unsuccessful tactics, and you're quickly being surpassed in numbers by the hispanics, so you better get your act together soon while you still have the spotlight.

Thanks for some really good insights to this "debate" on black face acts Lucretia and Brian, your eloquent thoughts are very much appreciated by this reader. My main point of contention, other than the black makeup is the fact that he and his fans claim he is ridding the world of negative stereotypes, in a bar filled with drunks? That one picture of him in a purple dress and wig, and I assume padding, since he is that big, he really needs gastric bypass surgery is as racist as anything I've ever seen, except to those who want to take photos with him for some sick reason. Just don't get that one at all, do, thy have a group discussion after eh show where his fans can express how they feel about what he has just said? I doubt if they do, but, as usual, when it comes to anything related to race, the first ones to say that they aren't ,are he same on's who don't know, and seldom if ever talk to a real black person. If, Mr Knipp would actually speak out in a positive manner, and call out 90% of his fans who are all out racists from that now defunct Myspace page and who still flock here, it would be one thing, but, he does not, all he wants is a few coins in his purse, and it shows, he does not care about this alleged woman he loves and is mocking. I doubt if the majorty of his fans see the "irony" in sterotypes, since they have them to being with.

And, I couldn't believe my eyes when Jasmyne wrote that the one guy used a racial slur in the interview, its amazing how gays are so similar to straights with this regard, throw out that vile n-word in a regular conversation, amazing.

And, as for Mr Kinpp and his minstrel show, house parties should be the venue, since I for one don't think its fair to end up in a club where everyone is getting a kick of out this vile act, and yet won't ever have a person of color working in the club. And, I wonder if he is still getting that ten grand for a show his fan was so proud to report?

Brian

"No, we are arguing that SOME people are sophisticated enough to laugh at SQL for the irony. Does all humor have to be dumbed down to the level of people who are too stupid to understand irony and nuance?"

SOME people? Actually, that would be MOST people. I'm sorry, racism is very widespread. You do have to accept that to get where we're coming from. Just because most people don't grasp the pervasive nature of racism doesn't mean that black people have to accept that racism is just something that a small minority of people engage in. It's not. As a result, SQL more often than not is reinforcing stereotypes, not undermining them.

We have good reason to doubt that many of the people who THINK they are so sophisticated on the issue of race actually are. In my experience, most people think that racism is a conscious feeling of "hate" towards people of other races. It is not just about people with white sheets burning crosses or using the "n-word", but assumptions, characterizations, and discriminatory practices that are reinforced by media, politics, and tradition.

When we actually make some major strides towards eliminating racial discrimination, then I'll entertain the idea that we can afford to be "ironic" to the point in which white people should dress up as black people and mimic politically destructive racial stereotypes.

What's so disturbing about what you say is that you seem to individualize the issue and say, "well since I'm not racist, and since I see it as ironic, obviously there's no problem with the show." There is an entire world of discrimination, police brutality, incarceration and poverty that exists outside of your own head and consciousness--and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and making the unlikely assumption that you have no problems with racism and racial stereotypes.

In that world, what people say and do has repercussions on SOCIAL and POLITICAL life for black people. These realities take place outside of your own "nuanced" head, believe it or not.

"One could argue that the novel Huckleberry Finn contains demeaning minstrel stereotypes..."

As you noted, it's about context. Huckleberry Finn is a nineteenth century novel discussed in a classroom setting. The engagement of the material is academic. It's not entertainment, and the racism in the book, from my experience with Twain in secondary school, is taken seriously and deconstructed.

If the book were read in a high school with racial problems and white students were laughing hysterically at the demeaning stereotypes of black people I would say the school should reevaluate how the book is taught and yes whether or not the book should be read in the first place.

Now, I don't think we should get up in arms about every negative stereotype (otherwise, we'd be exhausted because they are everywhere). I even wonder whether or not there should have been this hullabaloo over SQL. I do think that these discussions say a lot about how oblivious people are about racism. That's why I participate in them.

"By trying to suppress any discussion or representation of these images, you are losing the opportunity to educate people and put the imagery in context so that they can learn the truth of what happened in this country."

Wow, I didn't know that SQL shows had discussion groups afterwards so that people could talk about the history of minstrel shows, the politically destructive nature of "black welfare queen" stereotypes, and racial discrimination in the US! I didn't know Knipp had links on his website that talk concretely about anti-black racism and the problems facing the black community.

I also seem to have missed these legions of SQL defenders who say that SQL is putting the tragic and disturbing nature of black oppression in the US in context. Most of what I saw were excuses like, "Well what about black people dressing as white people...."

Lucretia

Well, I'm all in . . Racism is alive and well. Mainstream America, whether gay or straight, is no more interested in granting us full access to the rights and privileges that all white people enjoy as they are in ending the war. Jasmyne, thank you for taking a stand, and taking a whole lotta bullshit from a whole lotta folks. Few people are willing to stand up for their convictions. This is a tremendous act of courage. Living your life out loud. I am amazed at how easy it is to "fall of the beam," to be bamboozled, hoodwinked, into believing that something so deeply hurtful such as racism, regardless of whether or not you consider it "smart, edgy, comedy, is socially acceptable. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. It wasn't too long ago that this country was hanging black people and throwing parties with picnics and cameras to boot. Google "Without sanctuary." I can find no real humor in anything that perpetuates a blind hatred that remains so deeply embedded in soul of this country. Failure to address this deep seated wound that keeps oozing perpetuates the lie of black inferiority.

Check out Kiri Davis' A girl like me video on you tube. This is the legacy of slavery, of unopposed racism. It has to stop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjy9q8VekmE

Challenging "edgy, racist, homophobic comedy," and mainstream institutional racism and isms must be the number one priority on the African American, LGBT, agenda, period. Need I say what is important on the gay agenda . .Gay marriage . .not gay black people.

Although we have made great strides we are not one America. We do not all get along. We remain a nation defined more by our difference than our similarities. This in spite of the fact that we all bleed the same color blood. We are indeed, a white, a black, a brown, and a yellow (gay) America. Whether gay of not, I am still an African America, a black woman, a person of color, a woman and a lesbian. Many of my white brothers and sisters live with a privilege that I do not. Every single day I must negotiate the curious, sometimes funny and explosive intersection of race, gender and culture.

I find it short sided to believe that mainstream institutions, whether gay or straight are going to promote our complex agenda issues. We are not on their radar as topics of central importance. We cannot forget that they too, are often victims of a deep seated racism germane to their organizational structure.

It will be and is up to us as individuals and as a collective, a community, to set the agenda for our own well being, our own survival. It's up to us to bring voice to our struggles and our experiences as same sex loving men, and women, queer, and trans-gendered people of the African Diaspora. We need to take a stand, to make visible what has been invisible, to bring voice to our experiences, our lives, our contributions, our accomplishments. I owe the creation of http://www.blackinthelife.com to this realization. Gay privilege, like white privilege, does not extend to me. So, it's here, it's on the pages of other black gay bloggers and other African American LGBT sites where I can find support for my agenda. Where I can create community with like minded folks that share my interests. Where I can see more positive reflections of my life and my experiences. Where I can step out from behind the shadows and help pave the way for those to follow like so many others before me. So, although I understand the irony of the content of SQL my understanding does not assuage the deep seated wound of racism to my psyche, nor does it dull the pain. So Jasmyne, thank you.

"To suggest that people are at a point in which they can laugh at SQL is to argue that racism does not exist."

No, we are arguing that SOME people are sophisticated enough to laugh at SQL for the irony. Does all humor have to be dumbed down to the level of people who are too stupid to understand irony and nuance? Please tell me now because if that's the case I'll have to shoot myself.

"It implies that the gay community is just brimming over with these sophisticated people who are so advanced in racial consciousness that they can totally be unaffected by a show that engages in horrible, demeaning ideas about black people"

Your judgment about the content of the shows might carry some weight if you had attended one or two of them.

One could argue that the novel Huckleberry Finn contains demeaning minstrel stereotypes, and yet it is still required reading in high schools and colleges (although there are continual attempts, using all the same politically-motivated judgments you're making, to ban it).

Here's a Harvard article that talks about a black female professor who defends Huckleberry Finn: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/09.28/huckfinn.html

And, yes, I believe there are a good many people, white, black, gay or whatever, who are advanced enough to get the irony of SQL.

The history of minstrelsy is not all bad and evil (I can hear you screaming when I say that). Like it or not, it has had a profound influence on American culture and music, and you can't delete it from our consciousness the way Big Brother erases history in the novel 1984.

By trying to suppress any discussion or representation of these images, you are losing the opportunity to educate people and put the imagery in context so that they can learn the truth of what happened in this country.

And to Jennifer-Rose: I regret all this animosity, too, and I'm sorry your feelings were hurt. But I disagree with the suggestion that a word (such as "faggot") or image (such as the image of Aunt Jemima)is inherently evil or harmful. It depends on the context, style and the intent of the person using the word or image.

My friends and I call each other fag all the time, and aside from the fact that we're just being playfully obnoxious, it has the good effect of reducing the bite of the word, so that if someone calls me a fag in a hateful way, I'm like, yeah, so what? And you and I both know that many black people use the word "nigger" among themselves all the time.

Brian

SQL defenders talk about how “nuanced” and “sophisticated” Knipp’s humor is and how comedians who use stereotypes are actually encouraging us to “laugh at” stereotypes, as if the gay community had overcome racism and now has the luxury and good political sense to sit back and laugh at the basest of racial stereotypes.

After we have experienced widespread racism by white gays and see racism in every aspect of our society from the media to the criminal justice system, now SQL’s defenders are going to tell us with a straight face that people are politically sophisticated enough to see the performance of a destructive racial stereotype as a parody. What arrogance!

If the SQL stereotype is so “ridiculous” and no person would ever think that black people actually act like that why did Reagan use the black “welfare queen” imagery to sell his crackdown on the poor and blacks? The imagery of people like SQL has had real, demonstrable effects on the black community. I think the sheer indifference to racism in our culture is what infuriates black people the most about SQL’s defenders, and quite frankly, black folks are sick and tired of explaining the fact that racism is still a major problem in both the gay community and US society.

To suggest that people are at a point in which they can laugh at SQL is to argue that racism does not exist. It implies that the gay community is just brimming over with these sophisticated people who are so advanced in racial consciousness that they can totally be unaffected by a show that engages in horrible, demeaning ideas about black people—even though our society reinforces these ideas over and over again. It’s just not credible and many black people in particular find the argument absurd on its face.

Mimi

Wow, those two or three "liquor" fans without a clue or life are still flocking to a blog geared towards gays of color and still bashing away. I guess they still don't get it, for as many of them who love them some "liquor" there are many more who don't. Instead of trying to live life as a black person, wouldn't it make sense to get to know a real one and wonder why we might find the act appalling? But, that would be too easy with the fans of his act, much easier to laugh and agree with the stereotypes, and continue to not get that we get the inside joke.

But, hey, its still the USA and he can spew his racist mantra and his fans can defend it, but, why do they come to a board about people they obviously loathe and detest? My gripe isn't with the act or what he says in it, since he seems to feel its the right thing for him to do to make his coins, but, for the life of me, I just don't get why he has to do it with the black paint smeared on his face? Its not as if anyone other than the dimwitted fans of his really thinks that its a black woman, its a overweight untalented white gay man who wishes he was a black woman for about 10 minutes, but, then again I may be wrong, since most white gay men don't want a black man, gay or straight from most reports. And, the cavalier way the trolls who post here that its not racist proves that point, gays or no different than most of America, the haves can make fun of the have not's and don't have the need nor time to find out what its really like for the others.

And, then there are those bitter queens with the red pen for spelling mistakes, they are in a league by themseleves, but, then again, most of the "liquor" fans are, bitter queens who are clueless, hostile and totally out of touch.

Donald

This also pulls the covers off of another issue: there are white gay people who are just as racist as their heterosexual counterparts - and who wish to remain so. Many Black gay people have long since picked up on the notion that, for many white gay people, gay marriage is nothing but a completion of white privilege. How unfortunate.

Racism constitutes the foundation of America. To dismantle it will require all hands on deck in order to work toward a nation that is truly beneficial to us all. Unfortunately, many white people - regardless of their sexual orientation - still refuse to show up to do that work. Instead, they choose wallow in the diseased belief of inequality and continue to cultivate the systems that manifest that disease.

There is some serious and long overdue repair needed to our country and to our collective consciousness. There is much work to be done. And the global implications are apparent - we can not shine a light that we don't have ourselves.

MonicaR

More like SQL went back in time.

Chuck Knipp a 'cutting edge comedian'?

You peeps will say anything to defend the indefensible huh?

I guess you SQL defenders still think that George W. Bush is doing a great job as president, too

Cadence

Charles Knipp is ahead of his time. White actors have been doing blackface minstrel shows since Reconstruction. He is not the first comic to cater to the racial ignorance, bigotry and fears of his audience, and sadly, I doubt he will be the last.

His act isn't based on his mother, who I doubt, but I could be wrong, went around in blackface, and she definitely wasn't Black. HIs act is offensive and degrading, and the fact that his majority White audience can't see that is truly sad.

Jennifer-Rose

I have been reading the posts and I have to admit I am really disappointed in the animosity I feel from everyone. I think a lot of people are missing the point of what the problem with Liquor's portrayal is. Imagine this...you are a white gay man or woman and you and a group of friends go to see a show. In this multicultural group (which most friends are these days) are one or two African-American gay friends. You guys are enjoying yourself and then Shirley Q. Liquor comes onto the stage and starts her show. You look over and your friends are humiliated, regardless of whether they remotely resemble the portrayed stereotypes, they feel horrible. How would you feel? I am not one for knee-jerk reactions either, but after hearing about this show, I did look her up on Youtube and her show was more than offensive, it hurt my feelings. As a young black gay woman, I love drag, the glamour, the beauty, the comedy, everything about it. To know that there are people in my community (my gay community) that think this type of comedy is funny and harmless, doesn't anger me, it hurts me. No one is disputing Liquor's right to free speech, but is what he is doing right in a moral sense? If a straight person uses the word faggot or dyke, we should all be offended, but the same is true for ethnicities also. If someone calls my white friend something nasty, then I do have a problem with that. I think Jasmyne's problem regarding GLAAD is that there are many groups under the gay umbrella and we all want to feel protected. I don't want to have to be either gay or black, I am both and I want both of those things to be protected. For those of you who disagree with Jasmyne's assessment and her crusade, remember there are those of us that do feel slighted and unprotected when organizations like GLAAD that are supposed to protect us all, instead ignore us. Just my thoughts...

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